BursaRay New Wagons Old

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The second hand wagons brought from the Netherlands for BursaRay caused controversy. It is criticized that the wagons are 30 years old.
Bursa Metropolitan Municipality has doubled its network of rail systems in the last 5 year with its transportation investments. However, despite the fact that the line was ready for service with the latest technology, the results of the tenders for the vehicles to be worked on could not be obtained. The municipality was to buy 30 annual, second-hand metro vehicles from the Netherlands. The 44 vehicle, which was not used in the Rotterdam subway, was purchased and moved to Bursa. A part of the vehicles was divided into spare parts and the rest was painted or even removed.

The new line of the line and the 1984 model and the maintenance of the vehicles started a “scrap wagon” discussion in Bursa.

When we asked İbrahim Mart, Head of Bursa Branch of the Chamber of Mechanical Engineers (MMO), "Are you talking about scrap wagons?" she answers. "We have not found and approved the use of used cars right from the beginning in a city that claims to be a brand city like Bursa," Mart continues. According to March, it is difficult to find a similar event in a developed country:

This is only the case in underdeveloped or underdeveloped countries. He uses Europeans and when he is going to scrape these vehicles, he sends them to underdeveloped countries. Avrupalı

Da In such vehicles, there is more security and more costs. Comfort is of course worse. Konfor
He is the General Manager of a company which is involved in the construction of the first stages of BursaRay and currently provides consultancy services in the field of rail systems. Levent ÖzenWe also ask the safety of vehicles. Özen says, “We cannot even say that there is a serious security risk because few vehicles are operating at the moment, but if the number of vehicles increases, the risk increases.”

No Signaling System

There is another remarkable application in BursaRay's newly completed line. The wagons coming out of the Caryatagi Station stop after a little progress and extend one hand out from the vatman cabin. The Vatman pushes a button that hangs on a wire and is accessible from the outside. Experts state that what is done is "manual shear replacement". The vehicle continues on its way after the vat changes manually with scissors. Levent Özensays the application is due to the lack of a signaling system in the new line.

He added that the purchase of new and used vehicles could be a temporary solution and not suitable for long-term use.

”Tools are uncomfortable and slow“

Bursians who use Bursaray morning and evening to go to work also complain. Saying that he had to use BursaRay at least twice a day, Cüneyt Kışlak complains that old vehicles are not comfortable and they go slowly. Kışlak also states that the vehicles he calls “oven in summer, ice in winter” are delayed. Winter also complains about the use of old vehicles only in the eastern part of the city. "Why are these tools used only by Kestel?" says.
Saying that he often uses BursaRay, Özlem Görgün said, “Do we deserve this? Either they did it or they never did. It is very stuffy in the summer. ” says. Görgün says that he witnessed a woman who fainted in summer, fainted.

The questionnaire remained unanswered

Bursaray's second-hand wagons were also on the agenda of the TBMM.
On 11 January 2013, CHP Bursa Deputy İlhan Demiröz gave a written question about Bursaray to the Minister of Transport, Maritime Affairs and Communications of the period, Binali Yıldırım.

Demiröz 11-point proposal on the question whether the approval of the ministry's 30-year vehicles, whether it's another example in Turkey and asked whether the calculated costs.

Demiröz's question proposal was not answered by the Ministry within the prescribed response time.
We didn't get a response to our requests from Bursa Metropolitan Municipality and BURULAŞ to get an image from the vehicle.


Second hand wagons were bought to BursaRay. 1984 model wagons were insufficient. NGOs and citizens react.

Features of BursaRay

BursaRay uses 44 SIEMENS B80, 30 Bombardier B2010 and 24 Düwag SG2 model vehicles. BURULAŞ's website contains Siemens and Bombardier vehicle information, while information and photographs of the second-hand Duvag SG2 model are available.

BursaRay pays 2010 million Euros to Bombardier B3.16 vehicles. RayHaberAccording to the statement in the new 24 vehicles purchased from 125 thousand Euros, it is announced that 3 million Euros. It is stated that a total of 3 million Euros was spent by paying 6 million Euros for spare parts and other replacement costs.

Source: Okan Yüksel - http://www.aljazeera.com.tr

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  1. It is their strategy to take Düwag wagons. The operation on the kestel line may indicate that it is convenient to use it in short distances and may be taken to be used in extreme situations. This doesn't mean he won't buy new cars. If you look at the mechanical engineers' room, the low floor says the tram is not eligible for scholarship. why don't you report it?

  2. DÜWAG Krefeld is a subsidiary of SIEMENS.

  3. The defined lives of the real estate / structures and transports (vehicles / rollingstock) in accordance with EBO, BOStraB, UIC and similar rationalities in railways are as follows: Structural structures, constructions (buildings, bridges, artificial artistic structures): 80 year (according to the new EC3, structural steel and steel structures = 11 years). Small steel parts (poles, bolts, etc.) + For vehicles: 30 year. Exception: The life of some railway-like lightweight rail vehicles in Japan: 12 is defined as the year, which is very logical for systems where the technique develops so fast.

  4. Accordingly, a vehicle has completed its economic life at the end of 30 years. Technically speaking; Although it may have completed its life cycle, it may not have expired yet, with modernization and perfect maintenance and repair. Wagonfabrik Gebrüder-Credè - Kassel (D) (1980-90) of the 30s in many European cities in the 1897-1967s, but the company and its brand became history in 1967. The planes are similarly maybe 20 years old, but they are not much different from the new aircraft in technical detail. However, it is certain that the vehicles here are not planes!

  5. Yes, this type of vehicle cannot meet the current speed and comfort criteria. If it's a spare part, it might be a problem. In fact, although Wagon and Locomotive manufacturers live from the non-periodic, fluctuating market demand, the main profit comes from SPARE PARTS and its continuity. kazanwarm.
    Yes, the protectionism / protectionism is not a good thing, BUT it does not seem to be opposed to the opposite side, it does not make a steep alasını, rigid way to apply, it is not possible for us to be able to secret, secret. Gönül isterk, + due to the country's strategy (if any); these tools are used short-lived, as soon as they meet the need, the new generation SUNSUN! The work of this work is now being produced in Bursa (DURMARAY). We hope that this solution is only applied for a very short period of time to relieve the narrow throat.

  6. On what basis is MMO's interpretation that LOW BASE vehicles are not suitable for Bursa? Is it because the station platforms / platforms are not suitable? Or is it for technical reasons? Most of the two-storey wagons can be boarded in advanced countries using the high bay code… So this is possible with little adaptations!

  7. Sorry, CORRECTION: Not 3 according to EC11 but 110 YEARS of course!